Muddy Waters

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  Just found out their about to baptise my 14 year old boy.

  by Crazyguy in

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  2. child-abuse

  there doing this right under my nose but i just found out.

  not sure what to do but would like your help on getting me wt information on my headship role and how they shouldn't be doing this with out my permission.

  also would like some help on showing my son the ramifications on what happens to someone when they get baptized and how they'll expect him to treat me.

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  Muddy Waters

  Does your son realize that his baptism is viewed as a "legal contract " by the bOrg? (If he should ever try to escape it or annul it).

  Does he remember that Jesus, of whom JWs are supposed to be footstep followers, was baptized at the age of 30????

  Does he appreciate that the WTS frowns on people marrying too young, fearing they may not be mature enough to enter into a lifelong relationship, which is to be taken very seriously??

  How then, can a child or youth make such a decision to be bonded to Jehovah "AND HIS ORGANIZATION" ( note that they are viewed as almost one and the same) if he isn't even mature enough in the Society's eyes to make a commitment to marriage????

  And never mind the example of young Samuel, as the JWs may try to argue -- it does not negate the above points.

  Also, do you not have any say in this matter as the child's father? Insist that your son wait until he is at least legal age before making such a decision as to baptism. If his commitment is genuine, it will stand the test of time.... (And the threat of disfellowshipment cannot be weaponized against him before that time! Your son need not be subjected to a "captive organization" while still a minor!)

  
  
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  What are the things that wake people up from the Watchtower Corporation?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i became an elder i saw the dark side.

  a side i previously believed couldn't possibly exist in the one true religion of the happiest people on earth.. then they rolled out 'overlapping generations(tm)' and that was the last straw.. all my life i had doubts but surpressed them thinking i was at fault and not the cult leaders.. it seems more likely that now the governing body are parading around like popes, wearing their expensive jewellery, that this will nauseate even dyed in the wool jws.. i wonder if the wake up can be condensed into main categories?.

  1. experiencing the cruel handling of matters by the wbt$ reps.. 2. crazy doctrine (eg.

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  The Revelation book was such a doozy. Trumpet blasts from heaven being conventions and resolutions passed in the 1920's.

  The stinging scorpion tails being more of the same, only directed to the clergy of Christendom, who wailed and howled over "the truth".

  JWs themselves being the locust plague, and believing this foretold the great preaching work.

  And Jesus being the rider of the white horse, leading the four horses of the apocalypse.... I mean, Jesus...??? Leading the way in causing all sorts of pain and anguish to people? (So long as it's directed at "worldly" people, it's okay!!??!!??)

  bah!

  Yet I suppressed my doubts for a very long time. Other things culminated toward my waking up, the biggest being "My book of bible stories" (nightmares) for children, when I almost gave that book to my little grandchildren.
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  Any funny stories of when a"brother" giving a talk, said something "funny" or "questionable", and didn't even realize it?

  by Dunedain in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  there were always all types of speakers in the org.

  myself, growing up a "witness", must have heard all types of talks, and given by all manner of speakers, especially on sundays, when almost every week we would get a "visiting" brother giving the public talk.. sometimes, you would have a "great" speaker, all fluent and animated.

  other times we would get a comical speaker, one who would maybe purposelly get a few laughs outta the audience.

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  Muddy Waters

  I remember a young elder on the platform encouraging people to do business territory, telling the congregation that we have so many little strip joints it would behoove us to take advantage of these opportunities.

  Except that he meant to say strip malls, lol.
  
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  Pioneer Service School Videos

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  first, i'd like to give a big thank you to the anonymous person who provided me the files.

  second, if you have the rest of the english videos, or anything else you would like to leak, please pm me.. download links in the descriptions and here.

  english:.

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  Muddy Waters

  Wow -- the very end of Lett's video-- (I may be paraphrasing somewhat, but the gist of it is like: "... We love you, the GB love you. Oh, and never doubt that Jehovah and Jesus love you too."
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  Canada may get a new government today

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  the us elections suck up all the attention (and it's not even at the candidate selection stage!

  ) but canada actually has a national election today.. first results are starting to come in and so far it's all liberal party.. i think it's time harper and the conservatives got the boot.

  last premiere from the bush era.

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  Muddy Waters

  This is all so interesting to me yet clear as mud. I have had my head buried in the sand for so long as an indoctrinated JW-drone, that I never read anything about politics or community or world issues.... such an idiot. I was totally and thoroughly "politically neutral."

  Now, I want to know! I want to learn and find out things and know about these vital and important things, things which affect our country and impact our lives.

  It it will take me awhile, but finally I can "listen and learn" and not bury my head in the sand or walk out of a room any more whenever anybody starts speaking about politics.
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  2015-2016-More BOEs just arrived!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  these boes just arrived!.

  .. re: global assistance arrangement for the 2016 service year .

  http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/xnlm2ba.

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  Muddy Waters

  This is great! Thank you!

  ... thought this was "interesting" from the Kingdom Hall Information letter (especially Point #9)! Sounds eerily familiar.... ("Gotta problem? Never mind going through official channels, call the Branch FIRST!!)

  8. Safety law. The Health and Safety at Work (etc.) Act, 1974, does not apply to Kingdom Halls. Volunteers are not paid for any work done on the property, and no legal relationship is in- tended between volunteers and the trustees of the congregation. However, good safety practices should still be observed, and we view legal requirements as our minimum standard where they are relevant to our operations.

  9. There is no need to display any safety posters such as the Health and Safety Law poster, nor is there any need to report injuries to the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) or prepare a health and safety policy. In the event of an accident, the branch office should be informed by means of an Incident Report (TO-5). You must display a “No Smoking” sign in the required format at the entrance.
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  after 2 years, getting the courage to read COC. but is is still really relevant?

  by nowwhat? in

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  if so why?

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  Muddy Waters

  I believe it is very relevant! The book exposes how the GB evolved, changed, came to their spiritual "insights" and conlusions; it exposes blatant hypocrisy, inconsistencies, abuses of power, guessing at scriptural meanings, backstabbing, power struggles, doctrinal problems.... I make it sound a bit boring perhaps, but it is an honest and painful documentary...

  I agree with the above poster who said that if you are still afraid, you are still under their control.... But don't let that stop you! :) When I began reading the book, I was terrified and afraid too..... For many of us, it helped open our eyes and cement the view that the leaders of the organization were nothing more than arrogant, bumbling men trying to control other people's lives.
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  Has anyone noticed how in the October JW Broadcast, Losch encourages good works towards ALL people?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i can't help but notice how this past year alone has seen the gb start to turn more towards the teachings of the christ instead of peddling their falsities.. study articles have talked in length about the fine works of christ.

  assemblies have been dedicated to speaking about christ.

  and this month's broadcast is about doing good to others copying the example christ left for us.. what's more shocking is that losch actually says kids should speak, share, and even give food and clothing to non-believers!!

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  Alive! & Sparrowdown, so true! The WTS has always looked down on material giving and traditional understanding of works of charity, as it supposedly produces "rice Christians". They promoted their literature as being the highest form of helping people, using the principal about "feeding a man a fish for a day vs. teaching him how to fish."

  Above all, we were to use our time and energies in the all-important preaching work in this time of the end..... Helping orphans and widows and feeding people if they are hungry, etc., was all to be done in a SPIRITUAL (thus, invisible?) sense.....
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  NO.1 2016 Watchtower - up online

  by Gayle in

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  2. friends

  why be honest?.

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  Muddy Waters

  Is that the issue of the WT with a HAND REACHING TOWARD A WALLET...?? Haha, I find the symbolism to be so hilarious. A hand reaching towards a wallet. Nothing relevant there, eh? I wonder what would make the GB think of such a thing as that.... lol
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  Watchtowers million dollar scam

  by GeddyLee in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  back in the late eighties i was on the committee to build our cities new double kingdom hall so that all five halls would be under one roof.

  we needed to come up with five hundred thousand dollars to complete the new hall, so we had a kingdom hall fund drive where the local brothers would raise the needed funds.

  after two years we had collected the half million dollars, and guess where that money went????????

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  Muddy Waters

  I stumbled across this older, and very interesting thread! You just have to ask, "Where the heck is all the money going???"

  What the heck have they done with it all.... ???